Friday, December 10th, 2010 12:56 pm
I'll admit it: I feel somewhat self-conscious and embarrassed by being into steampunk. A lot of it is done very poorly, by the standards that I care about. But I like it. I like having a fantasy genre that focuses on my favorite technological aspects of my favorite period of history. I don't care that it is goth turned brown -- I like the goth look too, it just isn't for me. And with all due respect to Charles Stross, I really don't care that it glosses over 19th century class struggles.

Beyond it simply being an aesthetic that happens to speak to me, though, I find it all very... refreshing. The last 15 years have been very good for fandom. (Maybe too good, but that's another post.) I've enjoyed seeing the energy and excitement that has come in with every new fan-friendly media property. I've gotten into more than a few myself. But they're all properties, owned by someone. Or, worse, something. Most turn a blind-eye towards fan remix culture, but the threat is always there. They're someone else's sandbox. More creepily, being a fan for a commercial enterprise makes your enthusiasm into free advertizing. I'm rather uncomfortable with my excitement being... harvested. Particularly if we're talking about a large corporate IP owner. I'm glad that there is a business model which means big awesome media properties get made, but that doesn't make me entirely comfortable with all of the details.

Steampunk, obviously, isn't like that. It's a genre that people are getting excited about. No one owns it. No one is cynically making money from your honest devotion. There are conventions but no cannon. No lingering background threats of DMCA takedowns or copyright lawsuits if you do too much free publicity for it.

Plus, how often do you get to see an entire genre being invented? I used to think steampunk was going to be a brief fad, but now I'm not so sure. It's starting to have the feeling of a core mythos now. I wonder if this is how the explosion of Tolkien-style fantasy felt.
Friday, December 10th, 2010 10:17 pm (UTC)
Reading this made me curious as to how steampunk was begun, so I asked Wikipedia. Looks like the phrase was coined as a variant of cyberpunk, which also got its start as a science fiction genre (with a 1983 book of the same name). In other words, it's very much a Tolkien-style explosion, only moreso because there's no 'canon' work to dictate conventions and hold everything else in its shadow.

In fact, the literary scene has been the backbone of every craze I can think of (e.g. zombies, vampires) that has significant cross-pollination with movies, video games, jewelry on Etsy, etcetera. Does this mean that literature is still the prime mover of popular culture? That's a little encouraging.
Friday, December 10th, 2010 10:48 pm (UTC)
Yeah, the closest to core canon it gets is Gibson and Sterling's Difference Engine, and even that is almost entirely an honorary position. I can't think of any direct influence it has had, beyond the most general visual elements. It was never even all that popular.

I'm not too worried about literature. With the trend over the last 10 years of more complex mass media, I think it's getting more accessible again to general audiences. It's certainly a mover of pop culture. Not sure if there will ever be a prime mover again, though, hard to see things getting less fragmented short of a widescale Collapse scenario.
Friday, December 10th, 2010 10:46 pm (UTC)
Nothing to say but... uh... yep... you're right. That being said Steampunk is so much fun. You're right about there being a lot of crappy steampunk but it is a lot of fun.
Friday, December 10th, 2010 11:14 pm (UTC)
There are cannons, but no canon? :)
Saturday, December 11th, 2010 12:57 am (UTC)
My persona comes from a universe where steam engines have power/weight ratios to rival the Enterprise, but because of the changes in surface area scaling factors needed to allow this, printing presses don't work. Movable type blasts through all but the strongest wrought iron pages in a spray of hard gammaaetheric rays. So we've never standardized spelling.
Sunday, December 12th, 2010 09:19 pm (UTC)
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Friday, December 10th, 2010 11:53 pm (UTC)
I got The Steampunk Trilogy (http://www.amazon.com/Paul-Di-Filippo/e/B000AR86FO/ref=ntt_dp_epwbk_0) in 1997, so yeah, not really a passing fad . . .
Saturday, December 11th, 2010 12:24 am (UTC)
I think I sort of figured Steampunk was invented at the very end of the third "Back to the Future"

You know what I'm talking about?
Saturday, December 11th, 2010 01:05 am (UTC)
"Jules... and Vern!" Of course I know. :)
Saturday, December 11th, 2010 06:10 pm (UTC)
:-)
Saturday, December 11th, 2010 01:05 am (UTC)
Oh, a subculture where "a lot of it is done very poorly" isn't a bad thing. It's an opportunity to make an impact by doing things well.

By all means have fun and change the world with your standards!
Saturday, December 11th, 2010 01:13 am (UTC)
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Saturday, December 11th, 2010 01:47 am (UTC)
And with all due respect to Charles Stross, I really don't care that it glosses over 19th century class struggles.
Having an 'aha!' moment. I just finished up a sci-fi course where steampunk was mentioned with a passing "I don't like it because it glosses over 19th century class struggles, racism, etc." and little else - partially due to time constraints, but partially, I think, because the prof didn't want to get into that level of problematic analysis... It's nice to have a name to put to that. Thanks.

It's also really nice to see and hear from a different perspective on it! I'm really intrigued by steampunk and where it came from/where it's gonna be going, but that is unfortunately the sum total of my experience with it right now.
Saturday, December 11th, 2010 02:05 am (UTC)
I pretty much live my life glossing over contemporary class struggles.
Saturday, December 11th, 2010 05:31 am (UTC)
A lot of it is done very poorly, by the standards that I care about.
True of, well, everything. So you can't really escape that part.
Saturday, December 11th, 2010 06:18 am (UTC)
I wonder if this is how the explosion of Tolkien-style fantasy felt.

With the internet, the explosion can now occur a lot faster and further afield. I'm thinking back to when Tolkien fans I knew met by convincing high school teachers to let 'em have a corner of a chalkboard in school and then conversing in runes (which they taught themselves) and not meeting in person 'til much later in the school year.
Saturday, December 11th, 2010 07:44 pm (UTC)
This comment thread reminded me that I should finish the Difference Engine, which I started about 7 years ago. But alas, no kindle edition...
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Sunday, December 12th, 2010 12:17 am (UTC)
Eh, don't feel embarrassed about what you like! Be happy that there's something that makes you happy. [grin] I don't like zombies either, but I don't begrudge my friends who do, and I even get them zombie posters because that works for them.
Sunday, December 12th, 2010 04:47 pm (UTC)
It would be perfectly possible to write a steampunk book that *didn't* gloss over class struggles, but instead was driven by them, right?
Tuesday, December 14th, 2010 07:19 pm (UTC)
Yes. I've even had one living in my head for about five years. Too bad that I suck as a writer. :p
Thursday, December 16th, 2010 12:03 am (UTC)
And, it seems some should exist already? Does the China Mieville's stuff count as Steampunk-like? (It's "new weird" but this fantasy setting has much steam-punk elements).

Of course, if one is going to critique steampunk for not recognizing class issues, one would have to make the same statement about much of fantasy not recognizing class issues of medieval settings. (Which it often doesn't--actually an issue I have with much of fantasy, that kings/queens/princes/princesses or "chosen ones" etc. should matter more than common folks.)

-B.
Tuesday, December 14th, 2010 07:19 pm (UTC)
I get this and you know I feel mostly the same.