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gfish ([personal profile] gfish) wrote2006-01-31 07:27 pm

SOTU

Lower oil dependancy through radical new technologies? Sounds pretty good to me. Maybe I'll submit a grant proposal for research into these crazy ideas I like to call public transit and bicycles.

[identity profile] morinon.livejournal.com 2006-02-01 03:43 am (UTC)(link)
O wait! Public transit uses oil!

People want their fast. I like bicycling, but fast is often necessary. Hydrogen-fuel cars are being worked on, some are even available in Japan.

[identity profile] corivax.livejournal.com 2006-02-01 04:20 am (UTC)(link)
Depends on where you are. There are lots of cities that use natural gas or biodiesel.

[identity profile] gfish.livejournal.com 2006-02-01 05:17 am (UTC)(link)
We obviously can't get rid of all vehicles. But busses and bikes are always going to be more sustainable, better for public health, more ecologically sound, safer economically, and generally more aesthetic all around than the car culture we currently have. Getting off oil is good, but we're still going to be facing a major energy crisis sooner or later. Everyone owning a house in the suburbs and driving 20 miles to work simply does not scale to several billion people.

[identity profile] mrpsyklops.livejournal.com 2006-02-01 03:49 am (UTC)(link)
YES! (g)

[identity profile] sistawendy.livejournal.com 2006-02-01 04:09 am (UTC)(link)
Dubya should be careful. Surely he doesn't want to encourage... science. Besides, lowering oil dependency will hurt Uncle Dick's net worth.

[identity profile] randomdreams.livejournal.com 2006-02-01 05:32 am (UTC)(link)
He doesn't believe a thing he just said: he's only saying that in an attempt to raise his popularity ratings.

[identity profile] xmurf.livejournal.com 2006-02-01 04:16 am (UTC)(link)
Where's my nuclear flying car, dammit? What the hell kind of crappy Future is this? 2006 my ass.

:)

[identity profile] tylik.livejournal.com 2006-02-01 05:15 am (UTC)(link)
I thought his emphasis on ethanol was interesting.

[identity profile] gfish.livejournal.com 2006-02-01 05:18 am (UTC)(link)
I particularly like where he wants to make it from wood chips.

[identity profile] randomdreams.livejournal.com 2006-02-01 05:34 am (UTC)(link)
he what.

I'm not sure that the complete agricultural output of the whole US, less food supply, would manage to produce enough ethanol. Wood chips sure aren't going to do it any time soon (although it's a nice segue into "we have to cut down all the national forests TO FIGHT TERRORISM".)

[identity profile] kethet.livejournal.com 2006-02-01 03:49 pm (UTC)(link)
If we permit photosynthesis, then the terrists have already won.

[identity profile] xmurf.livejournal.com 2006-02-26 11:54 am (UTC)(link)
US oil consumption is currently 2e7 barrels per day. I don't know how much of that is for fuel vs. chemical feedstock. From another source, gasoline usage is 464 gallons per man-year, or about 9e7 gallons per year. The U.S. produced 1.77 billion gallons of fuel ethanol in 2001 using 690 million bushels of corn. If we assume a gallon of EtOH has the same energy content as a gallon of gasoline (it doesn't, but it's close enough), we need 77 times that amount, or 5e10 bushels. At 143 bushels per acre that's about 3e8 acres. Total US corn production for 2007 is estimated at 8e7 acres. So we'd need approximately 4.7 times the current US corn production to meet all our needs assuming (a) we don't reduce gasoline consumption (we clearly can), (b) technology doesn't improve (it will), and (c) we use only corn (which is stupid, because corn is among the most expensive EtOH feedstocks, it's just convenient.).

So I think it's safe to say that the total agri output of the US, with modern technology, could produce just enough EtOH to sustain current demand... and things will get better.

BTW, that 80 million acres that's the total US corn production is about the size of New Mexico.

And It Is Claimed(tm) that 1e6 acres of PV panels would meet all US energy needs (not just gasoline)... somehow I doubt that PV panels are 374 times as efficienet as corn->EtOH, so something's probably wrong with these numbers. Not surprising since it's 4am.


[identity profile] xmurf.livejournal.com 2006-02-26 12:13 pm (UTC)(link)
Hah! "Even so, the total US corn crop could only supply about 20% of our gasoline needs" from here (http://running_on_alcohol.tripod.com/id36.html). Which is mind-bogglingly close to the figure I came up with above. :)

[identity profile] gfish.livejournal.com 2006-02-26 01:14 pm (UTC)(link)
Of course, we still need that food to eat. Maybe it could work combined with some radical cultural changes -- death of the suburbs and most people rarely eating meat -- but that isn't going to happen easily.

[identity profile] craigp.livejournal.com 2006-02-02 08:21 am (UTC)(link)
it's interesting that his staff is backpedaling from his remarks already (to rather understate it)

Administration backs off Bush's vow to reduce Mideast oil imports
By Kevin G. Hall
Knight Ridder Newspapers

WASHINGTON - One day after President Bush vowed to reduce America's dependence on Middle East oil by cutting imports from there 75 percent by 2025, his energy secretary and national economic adviser said Wednesday that the president didn't mean it literally.

[identity profile] zaggers.livejournal.com 2006-02-01 02:04 pm (UTC)(link)
hahaha

and walking! don't forget walking!